tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6412995.post112292662033297322..comments2023-10-20T02:14:46.360-07:00Comments on GENEVA CONVENTION ARCHIVES: Anthony Robinsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15344532091414013818noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6412995.post-1123269483866428992005-08-05T12:18:00.000-07:002005-08-05T12:18:00.000-07:00I think your movement is cool. Good luck with it. ...I think your movement is cool. Good luck with it. <BR/><BR/>But about emotion=feminine--I think she has a point--it dates back to the rationalists view and Aristotle's "Politics" where he claims that "reason" is only fully operable in men, and women and children are ruled by bodily appetites and emotions--thus they should obey the full reason of males. "Reason is male and must rule, feelings are jennihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15572881547671631396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6412995.post-1123099233649382042005-08-03T13:00:00.000-07:002005-08-03T13:00:00.000-07:00Charlie,BTW, I *do* think that having feelings is ...Charlie,<BR/><BR/>BTW, I *do* think that having feelings is enough reason to write a poem. I have two manuscripts of poems that are well, spurred by my feelings.<BR/><BR/>I guess the question is--are the poems good? If they are, I imagine, then one wouldn't say to oneself upon readin them, "these poems seem to be written by one who thinks that having a feeling is enough reason to write a poem."<Anthony Robinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15344532091414013818noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6412995.post-1123099133036881872005-08-03T12:58:00.000-07:002005-08-03T12:58:00.000-07:00I think we need to deal with the trickier question...I think we need to deal with the trickier question of "what is confessional?"<BR/><BR/>I think of it as almost a period term--something we use to describe a certain grouping of poets writing in the late fifties-early sixties or thereabouts: Plath, Berryman, Lowell, Sexton, etc.<BR/><BR/>Or "confessional" can refer to a certain "therapeutic" strain of writing, I suppose. Anybody actually read Anthony Robinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15344532091414013818noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6412995.post-1123095921229483422005-08-03T12:05:00.000-07:002005-08-03T12:05:00.000-07:00I'm agreeing with Charles (I think), but in the se...I'm agreeing with Charles (I think), but in the sense that it's damned hard to extricate "emotional" women poets from the confessionalist stereotype, and more difficult to extricate the pejorative from the confessional. I tried to teach Plath in a survey course last term and every kid in the room rolled her eyes. <BR/><BR/>But the confessional and the emotional: that seems to be a legitimate linkginahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16349058384677610998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6412995.post-1122995483928693742005-08-02T08:11:00.000-07:002005-08-02T08:11:00.000-07:00I might lean towards agreeing with Paisley on "emo...I might lean towards agreeing with Paisley on "emotions" = "feminine" to some degree, although I would want to qualify it somehow. To say, maybe, that "expressing emotion as emotion" = feminine (and this being, naturally, a complete and incorrect stereotype. I have a similar feeling about a lot of white male poetry, which I've blogged about extensively. There are some white male poets who Charleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05222297450888695352noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6412995.post-1122936362014353912005-08-01T15:46:00.000-07:002005-08-01T15:46:00.000-07:00oh fuck emotion! what have you done for me lately?...oh fuck emotion! <BR/>what have you done for me lately?<BR/><BR/>you have ruined my life!<BR/><BR/>Anyway, emotion is so bourgeois...<BR/>let's have Passion!<BR/><BR/>SSimonds23Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6412995.post-1122935754884184582005-08-01T15:35:00.000-07:002005-08-01T15:35:00.000-07:00Tony,You shouldn't jump to conclusions aobut Fasci...Tony,<BR/><BR/>You shouldn't jump to conclusions aobut Fascicle like that!<BR/><BR/>I have been working with the gang at editing an international section for the first issue which is really going to be quite something--around fifty poets and translators (and among hte greatest translators into English, as you will see). Much of this work is full of "emotion," I assure you. <BR/><BR/>So don't makeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6412995.post-1122933315289885302005-08-01T14:55:00.000-07:002005-08-01T14:55:00.000-07:00you are the anti-christsyou are the anti-christ<BR/><BR/><BR/>sAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6412995.post-1122933193660402642005-08-01T14:53:00.000-07:002005-08-01T14:53:00.000-07:00how is this post anti-intellectual? i can see how...how is this post anti-intellectual? <BR/><BR/>i can see how you might say the conversation with ginabird is anti-...Anthony Robinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15344532091414013818noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6412995.post-1122932933334819972005-08-01T14:48:00.000-07:002005-08-01T14:48:00.000-07:00why so anti-intellectual?sandrawhy so anti-intellectual?<BR/><BR/>sandraAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6412995.post-1122929135096432242005-08-01T13:45:00.000-07:002005-08-01T13:45:00.000-07:00so when someone like paisley rekdal makes her case...so when someone like paisley rekdal makes her case, she's really making a case for "look at me!" she's really saying that she doensn't want to be unhip and all louise gluck and shit, but that she's also dissatisfied with sillimans and tosts. so are most of us. she couches her comments in lingo and rhetoric that makes it seem like she's fighting the small person's good fight, that she is the Anthony Robinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15344532091414013818noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6412995.post-1122929052315533142005-08-01T13:44:00.000-07:002005-08-01T13:44:00.000-07:00It seems funny to me that one even has to be in th...It seems funny to me that one even has to be in the position to make a case for emotion. But if this case did need to be made, then Tony, my bro, has done it. Of course there is emotional poetry out there. Of course we can write what we want. Of course we can be newly sincere.ginahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17749541090816320144noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6412995.post-1122928345953647362005-08-01T13:32:00.000-07:002005-08-01T13:32:00.000-07:00Amen!Now go clean your room.Old Crankpot PoetAmen!<BR/>Now go clean your room.<BR/><BR/>Old Crankpot PoetRadish Kinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06534752971317927559noreply@blogger.com